Thursday, September 10, 2009

On Horseshit and Transitory Relevance

I’ve been “in irons” lately – my bow so close upon the wind that all headway ceases. As even the novice sailor knows, “irons” await when sailing into the wind without tacking. The illusion of motion remains, of course. One can feel the wind. There may be waves roundabout and the motion of the living sea surges beneath your hull. But, in truth, you are not moving at all. You are dead in the water – your boom loose, your sail listless and unfilled.

Until very recently, my irons went unnoticed, I imagine because the mere illusion of motion was inexplicably enough for me. However, recent postings about Trial Lawyers College (TLC) in a variety of venues have caused me to consult my internal GPS. Confirming a troubling lack of headway, I’ve reached for my boom and tiller – pushed them away from me – a counter-intuitive sailing move designed to reverse and turn your bow. Once the bow moves along the compass slightly, the sailor can pull in the mainsheet sharply, confidently draw in the tiller and off he will go.

I think I just heard my sail pop as it filled with wind.

The search for a word perfect for the situation at hand prompted my personal GPS consult. I needed a word to properly assess and describe a variety of recent postings about Trial Lawyers College – postings which mimic what used to be called “investigative journalism” but which are really just shallow imitations of Westbrook Pegler – a gentleman of the press once properly characterized as “the shrill, stuck whistle of American Journalism.”

Anyway, I found the word.

The word is: “Horseshit.”

There is a shrill, stuck whistle reverberating through the TLC firmament. The whistle poses as an investigative alarm and directs its focus toward people and personalities and TLC Boards and tax returns and leases and other such matters. These points are "investigated" with such erudition that one could be forgiven for assuming there was some palpable substance to the sound. That is the very nature of sound and fury, of course. This faux alarm whips up the ambient wind and leads people to conclude that SOMETHING must be up in light of all the hubbub. Amid such sound and fury, people bemoan the status quo, resign from Boards, decry materialism or the corrosive nature of “ TLC politics” – all while wringing their hands about thongs and such.

As a civil plaintiff trial lawyer, I have no trouble with alarms as a concept. How many products liability cases have I won wearing the fragrant garland of DESIGN – GUARD – WARN? Alarms are critical when a manufacturer can neither “design out” an identifiable danger nor adequately guard a consumer against that danger. In those situations, an “alarm” of some type is imperative. So, I get that.

Moreover, I have nothing but admiration in my heart for a free and unfettered press. America needs persistent watchdogs in the press asking the hard questions and irritating the power structure. Such overview, scrutiny and revelation keeps folks responsible for the Public Fisc honest…..or, in Louisiana, close enough to what might reasonably pass for honest. I secured a Journalism degree at LSU long before I somehow crowbarred my way into law school. Thus, the press has no greater champion than me – even when they sometimes get it wrong. If motives are pure, I’ll opt for revelation every time. Honest mistakes keep those in power with their hands on the Pepto-Bismol.

What’s true for alarms and journalism in general is probably also true for TLC, specifically. I get that too.

Of course, as Glenn Beck has so sagely taught us, there’s a difference between purely motivated revelation and old-fashioned horseshit.

So, how does one counter persistent, shrill horseshit anyway – particularly when presented eloquently? You cannot simply squelch it, for that tramples the right of every citizen to insert his two cents of horseshit into the American marketplace of ideas, even when it’s worth considerably less than that sum. You cannot intellectually counter it without descending into an abyss pre-defined by horseshit-spreader. This is why celebrities rarely sue The Globe or The Examiner or The National Enquirer. I mean….is there really any point to Brad Pitt suing over a story about how he is in cahoots with alien Scientologists seeking to impregnate teenage orphans?

Instead, I guess we simply have to think for ourselves and tune in to our own intuitive feelings on the points raised – feelings based upon our own experience. That might be a start.

Insofar as TLC is concerned, I am blessed to have had personal interaction with all of the folks named recently in blog-postings finding wide dissemination these days -- including Gerry. Some are dear friends. Some were TLC ’02 classmates. Some are on the TLC Board. I have been close to these TLC people over a considerable period of time. Thus, I have seen them at their best and I have seen them coast occasionally and I have seen them make the occasional misstep – just as I sometimes coast and just as I make my own daily missteps.

However, I will tell you what I have never seen. I have never seen ANY of them engage in wantonly selfish conduct with the goal of “using” TLC to secure personal enrichment. To anyone who says otherwise, I say: SHOW ME. The stuff I have seen written recently doesn’t demonstrate a damn thing, except that some people yearn to become transitorily relevant by shitting in their hands and throwing it, like chimps at the zoo.

Anyone who thinks that Gerry Spence is “using” TLC as a personal profit center is an imbecile. Any inference of this type is simply foolish. This is my considered opinion based upon personal observations cataloged over an extended period of time and in situations not open to all. Gerry Spence is human and has made mistakes -- just like you and me. His words and his record over the long haul, though, reveal an honest devotion to TLC's mission --- a life path in which much more has been GIVEN to The College and its Alumni over 15 years than has ever been TAKEN. So, please......save the "Spence-self-interest" conspiracy theories for the nuts with tin foil on their heads (to prevent the satellites from invading their thoughts) who love to "explain" how the CIA blew up the Twin Towers in New York on 9-11-01.

Anyone who concludes that the owners of the Thunderhead should just give The Ranch to TLC “and be done with it” are as selfish as toddlers and about as deep. When was the last time THEY gave anything possessing such immense value to anyone or anything? Here’s the answer: Never. But, it’s so easy to suggest that others do what they have never accomplished or considered. Too bad Huey Long isn’t still around as he could have recruited them to join his Share Our Wealth Party. Then, they could sit around and divide up the patrimony of others -- a delightful pastime if you have the stomach for such as that. (Do they like reeling in fish that others have hooked too?)

Anyone who thinks that TLC could secure another facility like Thunderhead for anything remotely approaching the lease terms currently in place is so ignorant of the market in this area that further discourse on the point would be wasted on such a rube. Look around and see what 250 acre (+ or -) Wyoming ranches with abundant water surrounded by non-developable Wildlife Preserve acreage are leasing for – IF you can find one. Then, take a gander at what they SELL for – remembering that, after you purchase the place, you STILL have to maintain the whole shebang. Assuming you did not have the do-re-mi to BUY such a joint – which the College does not – what would you have to borrow to make the purchase (assuming you could find a lender) and what would the attendant debt service costs be? Does any thinking person truly believe -- but for the provisions made for TLC by The Spence Foundation – our College would have access to anything like the facilities currently enjoyed? Please. We'd be in a Strip Mall in Lander.

Anyone who thinks ---just because Gerry’s attaches his name to TLC—that Spence should therefore be obligated to reach for his wallet and un-ass the full sum required to run the College is as stupid as he is short-sighted. Gerry’s contributions to TLC are immense. Nonetheless, some are apparently able to keep a straight face and state that---in addition to all that’s been done thus far—Spence should now part with millions he sweated to earn to either support or endow TLC. Such a vapid assessment ignores the manifest truth, which is this: Trial Lawyers College must learn to support itself. And, we will either embrace our responsibilities in that regard or we will perish. I am betting we will “cowboy up” and do what needs to be done, although we will do it carrying the horseshit-spreaders on our muscled backs.

Anyone who thinks that a foundation owning a Wyoming Ranch worth many millions of dollars should lease that facility to some entity (ANY entity) without a mechanism of prompt lease revocation is a piteous simpleton. It would be completely irresponsible to effect a lease on a property such as Thunderhead without a codicil of that type. Including language of that character is good lawyering, which fairly protects the owner of an immensely valuable property. The shrill skeptics say that such a clause allows the owning coalition to give TLC the boot once Gerry dies and is no longer the moving force behind that Foundation. Uhhhh....OK. So? Quit whining. When you've been given a lease-venue like Thunderhead in which to operate for the artificially depressed price assessed to TLC, this is a chance you take. Is it a realistic, looming possibility -- one that will pull the rug from beneath the College at any moment? The record of those involved in the ownership of Thunderhead shows it is NOT. But, it does give those who wish to become transitorily TLC-relevant a platform to sew cynicism and discord for their own purposes.

Anyone who bemoans the raising of funds from our own ranks to support TLC—even though it calls upon Warrior-volunteers to perennially pinch their own pocketbooks—does not understand what it takes for TLC to remain independent. Instead, they want “Daddy” to simply buy them the shiny new convertible. Similarly, anyone who spends time gazing upon lists of TLC donors so as to pronounce judgment on their true level of commitment to the College is engaging in a form of ignorant stone-throwing usually reserved to the sole province of 9th grade girls.

And, now that I mention it…..what are the horseshit-spreaders doing to suggest pragmatic mechanisms through which money might be raised to support the College?

Not a thing.

They actuate nothing.

They innovate nothing.

They plan nothing.

They brainstorm nothing.

They solve nothing.

Instead, they do the only thing people can do when they are bereft of true ideas: They embrace their transitory relevance through the ancient art of unremitting criticism. So, hooray for the criticizing horseshit-spreaders! They are as valuable as parasitic deer ticks.

But, I digress.

Anyone who succumbs to the vapors because TLC merchandise includes a thong carrying the College logo needs to have a sense-of-humor transplant, for cryin’ out loud. Anyone who thinks that such an item of merchandise somehow denigrates women is just spoiling for an argument over nothing.

Anyone who would pound their soap box because the TLC Board of Directors is not “elected” by the Alumni so misunderstands the basic methodology through which Non-Profits staff their Boards that illuminating the reality for them would begin much as Vince Lombardi commenced each one of his Packer Training Camps: “Gentlemen,” Lombardi would say, holding up a pigskin before his rookies. THIS is a football.” TLC is not a traditional for-profit corporation, with a Board selected by shareholders, who are thus pledged to act in a manner designed to increase corporate stock prices and spur dividends. Non-Profit Board Members are routinely recruited and INVITED to join – usually by other members of the Board or the Executive Director or by other corporate officers. Anyone having rudimentary experience with non-profits knows this. That being so, any person who would intimate there is something dark and malignant in what is—in truth—wholly routine is….well…he’s Glenn Beck is who he is.

One could go on, of course. But, what is the point of arguing with The National Enquirer and the claim that a photo of Elvis cured the cancer in Jack Kennedy’s brain, which is alive in a jar somewhere?

My ongoing experience at Trial Lawyers College has evolved into one of the most important phases of my life. I know that any experience so thoroughly touching my heart cannot be run by pretenders and charlatans. My personal observations and friendships with the folks who run the joint bear that out. Where horseshit-spreaders see hypocrisy, I see human beings---with all their faults and failings---doing their level best to make an astonishing place better and more accessible to other trial lawyers. Where the horseshit-spreader sews cynicism and opts for criticism or the spinning of base conspiracy theories, I choose to roll up my sleeves and work to help a special place survive and prosper.

Of course, this will mean to the horseshit spreaders that I am brainwashed -- that I am adrift in cultish TLC Kool-Aid and thus incapable of objective assessments. Such an assertion just makes me chuckle. It cannot be countered and I will instead rely on those who know me to judge who and what I am......although the potential charge DOES remind me of one of the greatest exchanges in American politics. The exchange took place in 1968, when candidates were coming out of the woodwork to oppose Lyndon Johnson's anticipated re-election bid. Eugene McCarthy was mounting a stinging challenge within the Democratic Party to his sitting President and George Romney, previously the governor of Michigan, was one of the Republican hopefuls. Romney had been a POW in Korea and the issue of whether or not he had been "brainwashed" while in the hands of his Korean captors came to the forefront of political debate. Romney denied being "brainwashed", of course -- engendering predictable skepticism. McCarthy, on the other hand, skewered Romney's campaign forever when asked if he believed Governor Romney had been "brainwashed" in Korea. In response, McCarthy paused briefly and then replied with great solemnity: "Well....a light rinse would have been sufficient."

Instead of trying to defend against a lack of objectivity --an unwinnable battle because I am obviously NOT objective -- maybe what’s best to say to the horseshit-spreaders is what Nicholson’s character, Melvin Udall, says in the 1997 movie As Good As It Gets: “Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.”

Now….enough is enough. Let’s move our bow along the compass, draw in our mainsail, pull the tiller firmly toward our chest and get this damn boat out of irons and movin’.


----J.R.

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  1. Wow. Fantastic.

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  2. J.R., that's tellin' it straight. Thank you.

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  3. Sadly you miss the point of Norm's posts. He speaks much truth but no one wants to hear it. You have been blinded. TLC needs transperancy and there is none. Let it answer by producing the lease, the minutes, the financial statements and the bylaws for TLC, Spence Foundation and Singing trees. If all is above board as you say they should gladly and willingly produce such documents. But that won't happen until a cold day in hell.

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  4. OK, let us lay aside for a moment the fact that you don't have the fortitude to post whatever comment you might have under your own name -- thereby making certain you can creep around TLC, enjoying the benefits, while slingin' horseshit from behind a cloak of anonymity. Let's just pretend that one who approaches issues in that way has ANY credibility.

    Mr. Pattis is free to say whatever he wishes -- and at least he does it forthrightly under his own name, thereby allowing us to assess both the message and the messenger.

    But, sadly, YOU miss the point of MY post. I think Pattis is dead wrong -- his comments percolating out of "chairback" issues that have nothing to do with the points he raises. To his credit, he has alluded to that undeniable Truth in some of his posts.

    Whatever.

    These ostensibly malignant "transparency" issues have been explained to my satisfaction by people I absolutely trust and who have the requisite knowledge. Moreover, much of the suposedly "secret" information IS available for people of good will who know how to ask. I am not blind. Instead, I have undertaken to become INFORMED and I've done that by polite, diligent inquiry.

    But, no....why do THAT when people easily misled can sit in the dark and curse the night?

    Friend, I don't know who you are but I choose to believe your heart is in the right place. Otherwise, you probably wouldn't post a comment at all. If I'm correct, choose to be led by folks who are working to IMPROVE TLC and plan for its future. Your points---and those of Mr. Pattis---are not lost on the leadership of the College. But, I see a better way and will devote my time and my money (to the extent I can) in constructive methodologies.

    If you'd ever like to talk confidentially under your own name about these concerns you can always email me at jrclaryjr@gmail.com and I will respect your privacy.

    J.R.

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  5. "However, I will tell you what I have never seen. I have never seen ANY of them engage in wantonly selfish conduct with the goal of “using” TLC to secure personal enrichment."

    I would agree J.R. I have only seen selflessness from the members of the TLC Board I have had the pleasure of getting to know.

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  6. JR, as usual you've hit the nail on the head. Thanks, dear one.

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  7. Interesting post JR

    I have not met Norm. Not that I know of anyway. I have been to a fair number of regionals. He may have attended. If he did he failed to make enough of an impression to stick in my mind. As I get older than happens more than it should. But I am drawn to characters and good storytellers. Or just interesting people to have a drink with. I remember most of those. But I don’t ever remember meeting Norm. And he seems like the kind of guy who wants to stand out in the crowd. Like a favored niece or nephew at a family gathering who wants desperately for us to watch his or her latest trick or act or whatever. Doesn’t matter so long as they have the spotlight. Lots of us are like that. I have seen many of us at Regionals and at the Ranch. But I don’t remember any named Norm or Mr. Pattis. So I probably never met him.

    That is probably too bad for me. He seems like he would be an interesting guy to get to know. He apparently is a pretty good lawyer. He was good enough at the TLC stuff to be invited as an instructor. Like a lot of good storytellers he seems to want to be the center of attention. His blogs revolve around him. You might say (I do say) they are all about him. Sometimes it seems that he is like the child in us when he doesn’t get his own way or enough recognition to compensate for not getting his own way, he lashes out at the person or group which denied him that pleasure.

    If you look back to Norm’s posts while Gerry was defending Fieger, you would see many of the same techniques and attacks as in his present writings. Gerry may have been in the midst of a titanic battle against the hordes of the federal government with a defendant he was going to have to allow to testify, but the writings are about how important Norm was to Gerry because Gerry took the time to acknowledge him. Thinking about having Fieger testify must have been like watching an explosive sitting in the sun on a hot July day as it started to sweat wondering if it will blow up unexpectedly. And he had to look at that explosive every day of the trial. He had to worry about that bone while the trial went on week after week. But for Norm the important issue was Norm. And his importance to Gerry. At least in Norm’s mind and in his postings.

    Take a look at those old posts. They may be instructive for this round. If it is all about Norm, just think how much enjoyment and pleasure he must be getting from the missives being fired his way or at him. If it was done on paper instead of electronically, a small forest would have been needed for the paper. If it is all about you, just think how good you must feel from the hullabaloo you have raised.

    Now take a look at the facts he brought out. Take a good long look. What is there? What are you going to say? Maybe like me you will say something like: ‘So.” As in “So what?”

    Of course there is innuendo. But come on. We are lawyers. We thrive on innuendo. Lots of us used to be prosecutors, we lived on innuendo. Just like insurance company lawyers we face today, we wanted the other side to chase the innuendo to give it some credence, some believability. Every once in a while we got an inexperienced or foolish lawyer to take the bait. There weren’t any facts there, but by chasing the innuendo they gave it weight and credibility. But we are older and more experienced and, hopefully, smarter today than then.

    Today we ask for more facts. If there are none we move on. We see a lot of right wing polemists use this sort of attack. Think of Rush or Newt as examples. Take two facts, “the sun rose today” and “governments tax people” and think of the innuendo they can compose. If you are a believer you accept it. If not you laugh and move on. And Rush loves it and makes millions. If Norm comes up with more facts, we can take a look at those (as I said above: so far the facts presented amount to “So?”). Until then I suggest laugh and move on. Anything else just gives Norm the psychic fulfillment he seems to crave, both now and during the Fieger trial posts.

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  8. J.R.: I love your sailing image. Reminds me of when I learned the rudiments. Yes, I have been caught in irons. Well, thanks for your wise words, although your reference to 9th grade girls did challenge my memories. But then again, I was never part of the cool clique, and will never be. I am happy to be my own non-koolaid drinking clique. Norm is brilliant in his own way, but he is missing something in his core. I hope he finds it. But you are right that we must plug on to keep this magnificent gift we have been generously given going, so others can get it too. Love, Anna

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  9. Anna:

    Upon reflection......I regret the "9th grade girls" comment.....despite its laser-like accuracy. ;-)

    Miss you, kiddo.

    **hugs**

    J.R.

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  10. J.R such a round about about way to tell Norm to STFU. Norm --- what have you done for someone lately? Mr Spence has given so much and I love him he changed my life and those I affect. Many others say the same.
    J.R. thanks for speaking out. You, Jude,Kent,Imagine and especially Mr Spence should not have to address this shit. Del Hardy 04

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  11. J.R. Thanks for taking the time to defend our TLC leadership. The experience I had at the Ranch, like you, was life changing. I am a better person becasue of it, and realize that I am on a path of positive growth that is life long.

    Even if the Spence family was making millions on leasing the Ranch to TLC (which it is clearly NOT), so what? I say THANKYOU to them for helping me and numerous others to become better people and as a result better attorneys that help individuals without a voice in the courtroom. Moreover, it is highly improbable that TLC makes any money, just do the math - a couple of thousand dollars for three weeks at the Ranch does not even cover the awesome food, let alone, upkeep and maintenance. Thus, donations are clearly necessary to keep the Ranch open and available to TLC.

    All of this is beside the point, what Gerry Spence has done is spectacular. He and his family have given a priceless gift - their time, thought, energy and teir very hearts and souls. They are not absentee landlords, they actually work in the trenches helping to mold all of us into better people.

    It is easy to throw money at a project, it is far more difficult to spend your time and effort into making it work.

    Having help run two nonprofits in my earlier life, I have found that it is far more difficult to get skilled people, to help make the organization operate smoothly, than it is to get money. The Spences have managed to put together an allstar team to teach, as well as on the Board to lead. This is a sign of great love for an organization.

    Anyone who attacks a nonprofit on the misguided level of the attack made against TLC, has probably never walked in the shoes of a person with a passion for excellence and a vision of how it should happen - as Gerry has demonstrated over the years!

    Sometimes people just don't get it. Some people might think: how could someone like Gerry Spence want to selflessly give of himself? There must be an alterior motive ... I know Gerry must do it for the money! ???

    For someone to think these thoughts means they just don't understand a person like Gerry - who is NOT motivated by money. (Yes he needs money to live like the rest of us, but that is not his driving force in life!)

    It is sad that there are people out there who would rather attack than try to understand the other person's point of view ... I believe it is calling "reversing roles" (a wonderful tool I learned through TLC).

    My hat is off to what the Spence Family and Foundation is doing to help trial attorneys through TLC and its volunteer staff. They do a fabulous job of helping, caring, teaching and leading. Their kindess is boundless.

    Rather than repeating your sailing analogy (which I love), another phrase comes to mind ... "You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink." Apparently, Mr. Pattis has not only been lead to the water, he has stood in it, washed in it, played in it, but never drank from it. It appears that he has missed the point of TLC. This is unfortunate since there are not many places in the world that offer a drink as refreshing, reawakening and regenerating as TLC.

    With any great organization, there will always be challenges and attacks. Overcoming adversity leads to more strength. This attack too will pass and TLC will be stronger as a result.

    Ken Behrend TLC '08

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  12. Del and Ken:

    Thanks, guys. Keep the faith. All will be well.

    J.R.

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  13. JR, Thank you for helping me come up with the appropriate word. i had considered "bull shit", but i hated to elevate this crap to that level. and i thought about "snake shit" but that didn't seem fair to the reptiles. Maybe "judas shit", but i think your term was pretty descriptive after all.
    I'm just looking forward to having the opportunity to attend those other Trial Lawyer's Colleges that these detractors apparently are going to institute since they can do it better ... Think that's gonna happen? think they're gonna share their knowledge and put up funds to help?

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  14. Thanks, J.R. Your message persists in compassion and positivity, as well as hope. And I'm sure that means a lot to everyone who reads it, warriors and non-warriors alike.

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  15. Mark and Stephen:

    Thanks, fellas. You two guys---along with the others who have taken time to leave supportive posts--are so important to the future of TLC. Hang in there as you are sorely needed.

    On the other hand, and notwithstanding the strident rhetoric, we can always learn something from our detractors and critics, regardless of their motives. That's an often hard truth in almost every walk of life.

    So, let's do what we can to move forward in a positive way but let us also pray for the strength and character required to hear what we need to hear -- whatever that may be for each of us.

    J.R.

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  16. Update your blog. I like reading what you write.

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  19. Mr Clary:
    your piece is masterfully eloquent.
    If Gerry has put in so much that is not taking
    out a profit. If Gerry was running some profit
    enterprise would he not charge the max lease
    rate.
    But, he has not, so why has Mr Pattis
    evaded all that, as he shows he does
    not understand the structure of TLC, non-
    profits, and the rights to freely associate.
    I enjoyed you well pinned piece,
    it was well done.

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  21. Norm Pattis announced on 9/22/09 he is shutting down any more blogging on TLC, his blog post----his "finall word" . His final piece was after about 25(long pieces) prior to that, and stirred the pot with some of his other Buddy Bloggers. Mr Pattis gave his shut down notice( his final word), apparently after Mr Rex Pattis had emailed on 9/ 21/09 Mr Pattis on his blog site.
    Final word says Pattis---oh really........
    Mr Clary some of you posts are eloquent, the richness of you life in the community in La.
    And, your recent post on the young woman, who got married--and you were there.
    I just want to let you know, you have a gift for writing.

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  22. Thanks for those kind remarks regarding my blog-posts, my friend. I appreciate it. ---J.R.

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  23. A typo:
    Pattis shut down blogging by his own notice, the "final word", on 10/22/09, not 9/22/09.
    During the month of Sept 2009, and most of Oct 2009, Pattis was on a frenzy to dish so many etc.
    In any event, not to go there, in contrast, you blog is a breadth of fresh air, and,
    reflects an interwoven life that seeks the best, not the worst, truth, not lies, beauty, not the ugly. As noted Rex
    emailed Pattis on 10/21/09(not 9/21/09), and in hours he shut down his frenzy of pieces on TLC.
    Mr Pattis has a first amendment right.However, equally so, people have a first amendment right to respond, etc.
    Mr Pattis had on his block a reference to you, and your piece, and some rather choice comments. Many have learned to take Pattis with not a grain of salt, but a entire salt mine.
    Best Regards,
    I remain... simple a reader, out there, enjoying the beauty of fall.

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  25. J R:
    Norm Pattis, on his blog site, referred people over to your site on your assessment of Norm's 25 posts(pieces) on TLC/ Spence/ the ranch, leases, etc.
    Why would some guy write 25 pieces, over a spand of months,(such ramblings on and on and on) like he had some "thought disorder", some complusion, etc ?
    I was curious, and did a bit of googling, and in 2007, it seems that NY lawyer, Scott Greenfield(Simply Justice blog) first attacked Spence. Then, recently, Scott Greenfield again personally attacked Spence, in his trashy piece entitled " confront the cult".
    Those are interwoven with this Norm fellow, who seems to be having some "thought disorder" problems. I could put up a number of hypertabbed references on that to illustrate.
    However, H S, B S, or just plain trash sums it up, but can you imagine a guy spends the energy on 25 pieces(his blog) to go on about the ranch, in between his FAIRY TALE project.
    By, the way, I read Gerry's piece on depression.
    I want to tell you personally, Mr Clary, you some times brighten my day by the words in your post.
    I don't know if it some Cajun wisdom, but
    whatever you are doing, it is great.

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  26. Is it that Norm regards himself as a rouge warrior, off of the reservation ?
    Conn don't have any reservations, and
    Norm don't strike some like a rough rider.
    His beef got more and more obtuse, the more he wrote. I think he finally realized that after about the 26th long piece that none of what he had been muttering out on his blog, made any sense at all. So, he just announced, he is through, his "final word".
    Why did it take him 26 long pieces to have it dawn on him; he was out of his gord ?
    Anyway, J R. must have shattered some of Norm's unreality, and it snapped him out of it, for a week, maybe.

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  28. I am not sure any of you want to waste
    your time, but I wandered over to
    Norm's Blog, and for the life of me, none of
    his writings contained any meaning, or made
    any sense. I suppose I could leave my
    name, Bar #., but then find my self the named
    target of 20 ranting, and raving pieces by
    Norm on his World Wide blog.
    Poor poor Norm. has he descended into
    madness.
    I hope he gets help.
    He was telling people on his Blog
    he is seeing a mental health Doc.
    I will pray that he gets well,
    but non of us can treat him over
    some I- net.
    I would call Norm, and leave my name
    but he may find us just some to lash out
    at
    I am just hoping he does not become
    more unbalanced.
    Please TLC members sent your love,
    and a get well card to him.
    Norm is mad at some, who may have
    become part of some imaginary
    Fairy tale world, he weaves constantly on
    his blog.
    It is sad to see this unfold, from a well
    known TLC member.
    Health is vital, cherish it.

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  35. Folks:

    I deeply appreciate the interest in my Blog topics, but I will be henceforward moderating the Comment Posts. Anonymous posts which ramble incoherently or which are personally abusive to others will be either deleted or denied publication. (There's been ENOUGH of THAT.) I would prefer that you own your comments and submit them honestly under your true name. ---J.R.

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  36. I got here by putting in your name on googles and "horseshit". I read the piece about "Confronting the Cult" on the WWW, regarding TLC. I see you admit you do not have the capacity to do so.( from your piece above--deal with the cult issue). If I leave my name, then it will be associated with "horseshit, since you never addressed the cult issue. Or, alternatively you will strike me from this board, imply I am abusive, etc. doing so with no basis.
    Either way, a person who comes to this board, gets exposed to deep voodoo.
    I assume, you will scrub this, since you don't have the balls to confront this matter straight on, and just set people up, after Norm Pattis directed persons over(WWW WIDE) ---here.
    Is that some TLC "method". SAD.
    I suppose you brand others as ramblers, imbeciles, etc,(See your piece) but never address issues.
    Is that the TLC, way too.
    You put up your intercircle TLC clique posts, but then leave the impression, others in America are just some perojorative name for you to attach, strike thier replies, which they took the time to put up. Again sad.
    You won't put up replies like this, because you want to slant your BLOG. Again SAD.
    So, people will go elsewhere, and address, in boards that don't toy with people, this is not the only SPACE in the WWW, like this is some Exclusive ranch club, to soak some in HEAT- Sweath baths in the SANDODA Sun.



    Again SAD.

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  37. Folks:

    Set forth above is apparently the best the anonymous critics of TLC can muster. Here is the brilliant and strong voice of those who view TLC as a "cult."

    He does have one thing right, though: It is SAD.

    J.R.

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